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Silence Says So Much

Friday, January 22nd, 2010

During a recent episode of Marc Maron’s WTF podcast (the one with Bill Burr), there was a brief mention of how some people interpret a person’s silence, when in a social space. After an event in his life that left him with a lot to think about, he happened to end up at a place with a bunch of people, and they found him to be not very talkative. Well, he was thinking about all that stuff he had to think about. But others didn’t see that. They thought he was being arrogant. To me, that seems like quite a large assumption those other people were making. So, sometimes people don’t want to talk. What’s the big deal? I don’t know for sure, but I have a few theories.

Atmosphere counts for a lot. If you’re with a bunch of people who are joking around, being funny, having a good time, then the quiet person might come off as a downer. Worse still, they might appear to be depressed or troubled. Lot’s of people tend to avoid those who seem dour, because they’re just no fun. It could be as simple as that.

Or: Being the quiet person in the room is, ironically, something that can attract a lot of attention. In a place where everyone is trying to figure out what everyone else’s deal is, forming their own interpretations as to what everyone else is about, conversation is a vital clue. In social situations where everyone else is talking quite a bit, the quiet one stands out because he or she seems to be working from a different agenda.

The person you’re talking to is giving you information, just as you are giving information to them. You’re exchanging data. However, the quiet person is not exchanging information. Some may suspect that he or she is taking it all in, absorbing data, without actually giving any information back (even though what’s really going on is that they’re just distracted by their own thoughts). So, they get to figure you out, while they remain the cipher in the catbird seat. That can be disconcerting. It feels unfair. You’ve just exposed yourself (verbally), and there they are observing, possibly judging, while maintaining a fortified position.

Or: As Bill Burr mentioned, people might interpret the unwillingness to talk as arrogance. As if the quiet guy or gal is saying, “I’m above all this petty bullshit,” without actually saying it. But that’s kind of a leap to make about a person, when all they’re doing is not talking much. People sometimes have some shit going on, you know? Unless the quiet person is dramatically sneering, and then peering at you over the hem of their cape, you needn’t immediately assume that they’re silently judging you.

The problem is that quiet individuals are nearly blank slates, on to which some people can’t avoid projecting their own insecurities. If someone is afraid of sounding like an idiot, they might think the quiet person is thinking that he or she sounds like an idiot. If someone is worried about their own value as a person, they might interpret the quiet person’s silence as dismissive.

Can you tell I’ve had problems with this kind of thing? I don’t generally talk much when at functions where there are a lot of strangers about. It’s nothing to do with arrogance or judgment, I’m just shy. I don’t want to say the wrong thing and upset somebody, or waste their time with a bunch of boring, awkward shit. And, sometimes, when there’s a lot of people around, it’s hard to find an opening.

It comes back to bite me in the ass, occasionally. Timidity just doesn’t work. (Especially when alcohol is involved, and I’m not the one involved with it.)

A: “What’s that guy’s problem, why’s he so quiet?”

B: “Him? Oh, he’s okay — he’s just kind of shy.”

A: “No, fuck that — that guy’s a dick.”

(Anyway, be sure to check out Marc Maron’s podcastthat Bill Burr one was extremely good, if you can’t decide which was to check out first. Burr’s also got his own thing going on, too. I haven’t checked it out, yet, but he’s a funny man, so I’ve got a good feeling about it.)

| January 22nd, 2010 | by BCSilvia | Categories: Humor, Psychology | Tags: , | Trackback | No Comments »



What’s Keeping You?

Thursday, November 19th, 2009

In a recent episode of his WTF Podcast, Marc Maron talked about his fantasy of moving off the grid. As in, moving into a cabin in the woods or on a mountain somewhere, completely cut off from the outside world. Like most fantasies of this type however, the inevitable problem of boredom and a nagging addiction to modern technology makes it difficult to see how this dream could ever be made real.

But the idea of disconnecting from the rest of the world remains attractive, even if most of us will never see it through. This is chiefly because much of the media that we’re exposed to is bullshit, to put it bluntly. And, even if you were to try to tune it all out, well that just makes it feel all the more inescapable. You may not watch Access Hollywood, or Extra, but that doesn’t stop you from interacting with people in your day to day life who do; and those people sometimes want to talk about it. You also might have to buy food every now and again, and the supermarket checkout line is not willing to back off with that stuff.

Sometimes, you just want to buy some bananas without seeing pictures of Kate Gosselin, you know?

But there’s always something that keeps us from flying off into the wilderness with a bag of oats and a gun. For many of us, we know we’d miss the little things that only a decadent, late-stage capitalist society can provide. Like, I don’t know, Kit Kats. Or Purell.

Of course, thousands of preceding generations didn’t need any of this stuff, which simultaneously enhances and enervates the desire to break away from consumerist society. It shows us that the most important task of consumer culture is to create need, and that’s a realization that frustrates us. But knowing the facts doesn’t take those needs away, nor does it replace the system of artificial demand that keeps the economy going with anything useful. It just kind of pisses us off.

We sometimes hate that our culture and economy have made themselves indispensible to our comfort and wellbeing. You sometimes see this in the bitter acquiescence on the face of people who can’t get through the morning without that first cup of joe. They grimly file up to the counter to get their fix, but there’s no pleasure in the act; a sure sign that they’ve moved on from the recreational, and into the maintenance phase of an addition.

I don’t think that the latest comings and goings of celebrities, or the need for caffeine are what’s keeping most people from dropping out of society, necessarily, nor is it the lust for ultimately pointless high tech toys. It’s people that most of us need—to make our food, to fix our teeth, to generate power for heat and light—to survive. You—all of us—are at the center of a complex web of support that keeps us fed and clothed and comfortable. Some of those people like to spend their off hours playing Xbox, or reading trashy books, or looking at computer porn, or not spending a whole heck of a lot of time considering the consequences of their political beliefs.

The price we pay for that, of course, is the pointless, distracting chaff that fills our awareness of the world. Self-sufficient isolation is possible, but very difficult to achieve for most people. Our reliance on the vast network of human interaction means having to deal with all the interference that is generated to supply the needs (even if it’s the need for gossip and scandal) of others.

You may hate NPR, for example, but your car detailing service customers like it, so it continues to exist. All of the stuff that we want to run away from has a value to someone else out there who, indirectly perhaps, we rely on.

But, so what? The whole point of disconnected self-sufficiency is to get away from all that. If we don’t need other people, then we no longer have to deal with all of that shit that’s constantly being blasted out into the culture for their benefit, either. You can live in your cabin, keep to yourself most of the time, and come back to society for brief visits when you need something like cataract surgery, right?

Well, yeah. If you can afford it. What kind of insurance does a mountain man get, these days?

If your desire for isolation is inflexible, then you may have to accept the fact that you’re not going to live as long as you might have it you stuck it out in the sick culture you’ve abandoned. Lot’s of people might be willing to give up their creature comforts, but it’s something else entirely to gamble your existence on the possibility that you’ll never need serious medical assistance, or any other kind of expert help that you can’t provide yourself.

That, I think is what keeps many of us around. It’s very easy to claim that we’ve all become weak, effete marshmallows, addicted to cheap luxury. But people are remarkably adaptable, and as this economic downturn (and the New York Times) has proven, people can and will go without when it’s important to them.

Rather, what we really need is the help and expertise of others. Even if we’re not taking advantage of that stuff now, our continued participation in society at least makes it an available option, for most of us anyway. (And social progress is really about widening that availability—why should we have all the advantages?)

That’s what keeps us around. We are hedging our bets. 

| November 19th, 2009 | by BCSilvia | Categories: Philosophy, Pop Culture | Tags: | Trackback | No Comments »



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